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  1. Zing23
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    3 day bar fine

    Originally Posted by Thick Mushroom
    is it possible to find a good looking girl and bring her back for the 3 days I am there? Where do you fellas suggest I look to do this. Someone incredibly good looking and fun, that wouldn't look to out of place.
    Go to Carolina bar - 90% of the girls are very good looking and 95% clean up very nicely and love to go out to hotels. Carollna has the best bar fine - $50 for the day shift plus $50 for the nightshift, to the house. the other bars charge more - don't even go to seamans club - what if you fall in lust with a girl there? the house wants $300 for 24 hours! plus money for the girl.

    Then you negotiate with the girl. about $400 for 24 hours would be normal, but a really hot girl could make more than than in the bar if it is busy. every week from now on the tourist season shrinks a little bit, so the girl's business declines. so a girl might be willing to do 24 hours for $300, especially if she likes you and needs the break.

    for example, angy in rm 12. exotic, pretty, very friendly. i was talking to my "date" at the bar and angy came up to say hello to me. she started talking to my date in spanish. they were comparing guys, what they paid, how nice they were, etc. i have finally learned enough spanish that I could follow 80% of what they said, even though the chicas talk fast together.

    all of a sudden angy starts telling about a guy, very tranquil, with a boat, that she spent 3 or 4 days with. she is telling the other girl how nice he was, generous, very enjoyable. this is what the other girl should be looking for. I interrupted, saying "that must be my friend mel"" and angy says "yes and he is a good man and he really knows colombianas."

    -zing
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  2. Mel365
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    Thanks for the PR Zing

    She was a cutie. Not a great looker but fun to be with.

    Mel
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  3. Mel365
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    Another monger was discussing how much a chica takes home he figured 50-60 K.

    Lets see

    I never did an analysis of a chicas earnings but let’s see.

    90 days x 5 guys a day @$40- $200 a day x90= $18,000
    room rent $50- +mandatory food $7- 57 x 90= $ 5790
    doctor mandatory $15- a week x 13 weeks = $195
    Contract with the bar $1250
    round trip airfare $850-
    Net $ 9915-

    Double the johns and the numbers still stink. The hottest Chicas are $400-$500 for 24 hours . In addition they need to buy sheets, towels, ky, paper towels, rubbers, phone cards to call their mother, clothes, medicine ,pay for laundtr, etc Their life SUCKS.

    If they get into drugs they go home with nothing.
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  4. SL_Willie
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    Also factor in the fact that during their stay there, they are sending money home to pay the bills and to satisfy any debts that they might have incurred in arranging for the trip.

    Believe me the money disappears real fast. No wonder that a month after returning to Colombia they are eiether working in another city or trying to make arrangements for another trip.


    Willie
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  5. Thick_Mushroom
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    Originally Posted by Zing23
    Go to Carolina bar. 90% of the girls are very good looking and 95% clean up very nicely and love to go out to hotels. Carollna has the best bar fine. $50 for the day shift plus $50 for the nightshift, to the house. The other bars charge more. Don't even go to seamans club. What if you fall in lust with a girl there? The house wants $300 for 24 hours! Plus money for the girl.

    -zing
    Zing,

    So if I want to take a girl for 24 hours it is $100 for the barfine and then whatever cost she and I negotiate? What are your thoughts if I wanted to bring a top great all around girl as far as cost? Any thoughts appreciated. Not sure why I still can PM you it has been 4 days since I reupped.

    Who are the 3 best looking girls in your eyes in the Carolina Bar?

    Thanks

    Thick
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  6. Hugro
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    Do we even want to do the math on what the clubs are making on them plus the premium they charge us for drinks. Holy shit theres enough grease to smear on every rinky dink politco's hand on the island. Thats one reason I won't beat the girls up on price and don't mind tipping for that little extra tLc.
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  7. Lion_Killer
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    Zing & Mel

    Zing, nice report, I wanna be just like Mel when I grow up.

    Mel, I am trying to get there sometime the last week of April, first week of May, depends on my work, I will PM you and let you know how it goes.

    LK
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  8. Mel365
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    Hobbyer

    I always test fly a chica a number of times in her room before we go for a tln.
    Also, it is important to lay down the ground rules before leaving. Many chicas want dinner, then a disco, a quick boff and off to sleep. then in the morning they will say they need to get back to the bar by 9Am. ( it is actually 10:30 on the dot) so no morning sex. It is better to try them out in the afternoon at the beach or the salsa bar for FREE no sex and see how simpatico they are, or just a tibiron.

    Mel
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  9. J_Long
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    Originally Posted by Mel365
    Another monger was discussing how much a chica takes home he figured 50-60 K.

    Lets see

    I never did an analysis of a chicas earnings but let’s see.

    90 days x 5 guys a day @$40- $200 a day x90= $18,000
    room rent $50- +mandatory food $7- 57 x 90= $ 5790
    doctor mandatory $15- a week x 13 weeks = $195
    Contract with the bar $1250
    round trip airfare $850-
    Net $ 9915-

    Double the johns and the numbers still stink. The hottest Chicas are $400-$500 for 24 hours . In addition they need to buy sheets, towels, ky, paper towels, rubbers, phone cards to call their mother, clothes, medicine ,pay for laundtr, etc Their life SUCKS.

    If they get into drugs they go home with nothing.
    You are right on the money Mel, no pun intended. A few (6 or so) years ago I got to know a chic in Aruba, she had worked Seamans in SXM as well. She said a hard working girl should send home about $8,000 for the 3 months. She told me that that $8K went a long way at home (Columbia).

    She said she usually work 3 months in SXM and 3 in Aruba. Also many girls "lose" there passport when they get home so boyfriends etc at home don't know where the have been If they see Dutch West Indies or Panama they know they have been hooking and can be ostracized.

    JL
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  10. Mel365
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    Colombianas

    And they keep smiling.

    Acording to google Colombians are the second happiest people on earth the USA is #150.

    Mel
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  11. Zing23
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    right, $100 plus girl fee

    Originally Posted by Thick Mushroom
    So if I want to take a girl for 24 hours it is $100 for the barfine and then whatever cost she and I negotiate? What are your thoughts if I wanted to bring a top great all around girl as far as cost? Any thoughts appreciated. Not sure why I still can PM you it has been 4 days since I reupped.

    Who are the 3 best looking girls in your eyes in the Carolina Bar?
    The best looking girl right now in my opinion is slim, dark haired Natalie from rm 12, but why would you bother with her when 3 guys including myself have had substandard sessions with her. of course YMMV. Mel's local friend took her for the weekend and thought she was great.

    take mel's advice. size them up yourself, when you feel the lust try them out for a low fee. if it was good, ask if they would like to go to the beach (salsa bar at orient bay is best) at 4pm when they have their free time until dark do not offer to pay her for this and don't grope her up at the beach. if you get distracted jet skiing and swimming, then she will be out of energy for the night and will just fall asleep. so save her for the next night.

    arranging a perfect 3 day TLN in a few minutes at the bar is not going to be possible. there are too many things to go wrong. since your time is limited, it would be better to ask a girl for 1 night and then if all goes well, ask if she wants to spend the rest of the weekend with you. then you just go back to the bar at 1030am and pay the rest of the barfines.

    -zing
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  12. Hobbyer
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    Originally Posted by Mel365
    I always test fly a chica a number of times in her room before we go for a tln.

    Also, it is important to lay down the ground rules before leaving. Many chicas want dinner, then a disco, a quick boff and off to sleep. then in the morning they will say they need to get back to the bar by 9Am. ( it is actually 10:30 on the dot) so no morning sex. It is better to try them out in the afternoon at the beach or the salsa bar for FREE no sex and see how simpatico they are, or just a tibiron.

    Mel
    Sage advice, as always master! Jajajaja
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  13. Mel365
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    Natalie Update

    She has now blown off my friend for richer diggs.

    Beside liking women more than men, I believe she is just out for the money and has no heart. I'll Pass.

    Mel
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  14. Mel365
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    Oh Those Colombian Women

    My love, thank you very much for all things wonderfull you are with me, never I can for get that, really you are an man different and unique, God blesses to you forever. Baby, I need you in my life, I need to be with you soon, I need your tender caresses and sweet kisses what make me crazy, only with you I can feel me woman because you are my man of my dream, I like your form of be so romantic and lovely, please never change my sky. I sorry not write before but I don't can do it, too much rain all day, only I want say you I love you too much and I need you every day, I dream with you in my arms, in bed, in the floor, in the beach. I don't can forget your smile and your beautifull eyes what I love baby. Happy night my love.
    Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
  15. Mel365
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    Last years party

    Some of you asked for the photos of last years fuckfest.

    Here they are.

    Mel
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    • Mel365
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      One more photo

      One more photo of the fets.

      Mel
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        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Lion_Killer
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        American Airlines

        With the problems never ending with American Airlines I am not sure if I will trust them to fly to SXM in a couple of weeks. They are my only option to fly there, so I am very skeptical to even try and book a flight.

        LK
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Mel365
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        American Airlines

        They are supposed to be finished by Saturday.

        If you fly out of NY Jet Blue also flies non stop to SXM.

        Mel
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Mel365
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        Md-80

        Just check the airplane--all airlines will have to check MD-80's.

        There are many airlines that go to SXM.

        Mel
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Zing23
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        petite chateau and elissa

        after visiting seamans and carolina, and feeling completely drained of leche or lust, i went by petite chateau to say hello to elissa. as mel reported, there are a number of cute colombianas working there now: elissa, valentina, sandra 1, sandra 2, lady, ....

        after talking to all of them, elissa asked when I was going to take her to her room for a massage. we have known each other for 5 months and never been to the room. since she is leaving soon, I said, how about now. ok.

        i wasn't expecting to actually be able to perform sex, but after giving her a massage and daty, she managed to get me hard with a bj and we had a very satisfactory sex session. I told her she was a miracle worker. Also, Elissa says she is getting small implants in June to make her breasts perkier and will be working on San Andres island in July for a short while. I have her number in Colombia if anyone wants it.

        -zing
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Hugro
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        Originally Posted by Mel365
        One more photo of the fets.

        Mel
        Mel,

        Mucho grande' very, very nice. I'm speachless!

        Hugro
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Max_Candy
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        Hello, Max Candy Porn Producer here

        Hello, Max Candy Porn Producer here

        Anyone know the legal on shooting porn in St M?

        In town next few days, anyone want to show me the ropes? I can do the same in Prague.

        Cheers
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Liathain
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        Two Girls @ St. Eustatius Brothel die of poor health

        From: The Daily Herald St. Maarten

        Deaths of two sex workers expose loopholes in policy

        Both prostitutes had serious medical conditions ~ By Judy H. Fitzpatrick

        ST. EUSTATIUS--The deaths of two Spanish-speaking sex workers within one month have exposed loopholes in the country’s Immigration policy, set the rumour mills churning and sparked a heated debate in this eight-square-mile island.

        Both Carmela Rodriguez Capellan (22) and Estella Peralta (27) were nationals of the Dominican Republic. They both worked at a small brothel in Zeelandia run by Carol Houtman and the emerging evidence suggests that they both were suffering from serious health conditions.

        Peralta reportedly had a serious heart condition and had been advised by her treating physician in the Dominican Republic three years ago that she needed bypass surgery.

        Capellan had worked at another brothel here last year and reportedly had been forced to leave the island and return to the Dominican Republic because of health complications. She reportedly had a brain tumour and had been hospitalised in the Dominican Republic for two months before she return to St. Eustatius on March 16 and started working at Zeelandia Entertainment Club. This has been confirmed by Delores “Yolanda” Sosa, an official of Pink Reef Hotel, her former employer.

        Zeelandia is home to both of these small brothels. They are the only brothels on the island and there are five to eight imported sex workers, primarily from the Dominican Republic and Columbia, at each of the two establishments at any given time.

        An evidently distraught Houtman said Peralta apparently had risked her life to fly to Statia to work as a prostitute to accumulate funds to finance her bypass surgery. But that wasn’t to be. Her efforts were cut short when she succumbed to her condition on March 12 as medical practitioners at Queen Beatrix Medical Centre (QBMC) were trying to revive her.

        In separate telephone interviews with The Daily Herald, Health Commissioner Julian Woodley, Temporary Head of Immigration George York, Dominican Association President Virgilio Solano and Progressive Labour Party (PLP) leader Clyde van Putten agreed that the deaths of the two women had brought into focus the need for an urgent review and revision of the Immigration policy as it pertains to sex workers.

        Van Putten said the government needed to revise and broaden its Immigration policy to ensure that imported sex workers provided proof that they were completely healthy.

        Currently, sex workers are only required to provide proof that they do not have any sexually transmitted infections (STIs) such as gonorrhoea, syphilis and HIV/AIDS or diseases such as tuberculosis, a blanket policy covering the Netherlands Antilles. It does not specifically require that the women provide proof that they do not suffer from chronic or life-threatening illnesses.

        Senior Immigration Officer Louis Brown said the policy also stipulated that the sex workers be rigorously tested prior to arriving on the island as well as each week during the duration of their employment to ensure that they have not picked up any diseases on the island.

        Asked why the medical practitioners hadn’t been able to detect the serious medical conditions of the two women during their weekly checks, Houtman said the women had “lied” about their medical history when asked.

        Van Putten said there were questions about how the temporary employment permit had been approved for Capellan to work at Zeelandia Entertainment Club even though she had been forced to leave the island last year after encountering health complications while working at Pink Reef Hotel.

        Van Putten also said the fact that sex workers were not allowed to work on the island within one year of their permits expiring, but Capellan had been granted a new permit ahead of that timeframe, raised questions about how this detail had escaped the scrutiny of the authorities.

        Death of first sex worker

        Houtman explained that it had become clear to him only after she had died that Peralta had applied for the job solely to accumulate funds to offset expenses for bypass surgery. He said Peralta’s death had thrown him into shock, as there had been no indications that she had a serious medical condition. She fell ill suddenly and was rushed to the QBMC where she died.

        It was only after she had passed away and after authorities had demanded to see her previous medical records from the Dominican Republic that it was discovered that she had had a heart condition and had needed surgery.

        “Her sister and friends also personally told me after the fact that she came to work for money to do the surgery,” Houtman said. Her death certificate indicated that she died of natural causes.

        Second death

        Houtman said one of Capellan’s acquaintances residing on the island had approached him to hire her and based on the service his club offered, he had filed for her papers. He had no idea until after her temporary permit had been issued that she had been working at the other brothel in 2007 and that questions had been raised about her health.

        He said he had thought something was amiss last week when Capellan complained about having a headache. She was rushed to the hospital on Saturday, April 5, but then her complaint had changed to “pain in the legs.” She was discharged around midday on Sunday, April 6.

        “When I visited her on Sunday, she was in her room laughing with the other girls. I asked her what the problem was and told her if she was ill she should return home, but she insisted that she was alright,” Houtman explained.

        She worked on Sunday, April 6, and Monday April 7. “The lady who works in the kitchen (at the brothel) had told me (after Capellan died) that when (Capellan) came out for her food on Sunday, she told her if she was sick she should return home, but she (Capellan) started crying and said she didn’t want to go back.”

        Capellan was rushed to the hospital again on Tuesday, April 8, and died shortly afterward as arrangements were being made to fly her to St. Maarten Medical Center for advanced medical care.

        The Prosecutor’s Office confiscated Capellan’s body late yesterday and an autopsy will be performed to determine the cause of death. The Daily Herald understands that the doctor reported that she died from “rhythm disorder.”

        Up to Wednesday Prosecutor Jacques Van der Horde had said that he hadn’t been officially informed about the second death.

        QBMC officials could not be reached to confirm the cause of death, but Sosa, who had employed Capellan from May 2007, said the woman’s siblings in the Dominican Republic had confirmed that she had had a “tumour in her head.”

        Sosa said that when she had hired Capellan last year she had complained about severe headaches and despite being rushed to the hospital and taking medication for a week, the headaches had continued with the same intensity.

        “She had asked me to send her to the hospital in St. Maarten, but after a week I took her to the airport and sent her back to Santo Domingo,” Sosa said, adding that at one point Capellan had asked her to obtain pain medication that was available only with a prescription, but she had declined to do so because that was illegal.

        Sosa said she understood from Capellan’s siblings in Santo Domingo that she had been hospitalised for two months after she returned to the Dominican Republic, where it was discovered that she had a tumour. This newspaper was unable to confirm this with relatives in the Dominican Republic.

        “She was very, very ill, but when she was discharged, she had called me and told me she wanted to come back to work, but I told her ‘no, you’re sick.’”

        Speculations and rumours

        Speculations are rife in the small closely knit island that the two deaths were not due to any health-related issue, but because of some “strange” phenomenon and that drug use and heavy alcohol consumption were involved, but Houtman has dismissed these allegations.

        One persistent rumour is that Capellan had consumed a concoction of Hennessey and Red Bull mentioned by several international media houses, including the BBC in its July 12, 2001, online edition, in reporting on investigations into the deaths of several persons who had passed away after consuming concoctions of Red Bull and alcohol.

        In its article, BBC quoted the Swedish National Food Administration as issuing a public warning advising people not to drink Red Bull mixed with alcohol or after heavy exercise.

        Houtman is not sure what to make of the latter speculation, but he said the entire issue had caused him sleepless nights and had raised many questions in his mind about the two incidents. Even before the body was confiscated late yesterday, Houtman was calling for an autopsy on Capellan’s body to put to rest rumours surrounding her death.

        Unanswered questions

        Van Putten has since requested an Island Council meeting in his bid to obtain answers to the many questions he said continued to linger about the two deaths. Van Putten and York said the entire issue exposed loopholes in the system, as both women were ill, but were still granted temporary employment permits.

        Van Putten is also concerned about the issue of medical insurance coverage for sex workers. Unlike St. Maarten, sex workers in Statia are not covered by medical insurance. Houtman said he had attempted to secure medical insurance in the past, but had been advised that the insurance company did not cover sex workers because they spent only three-month periods on the island.

        According to Van Putten, “What is clear is that they (the Government) have to change and expand the policies. If the system hadn’t any loopholes, these things wouldn’t have happened. These workers have to provide medical records so that the employer can know in advance if the girls are sick. None of us can control death, but there is need for an investigation because two deaths of women from the same brothel in 26 days is highly unusual.”

        Solano, who said in his 16 years residing in Statia “nothing like this” had ever occurred, said the deaths had had a severe impact on the Spanish-speaking community on the island. He noted that the community had pooled resources to help with expenses incurred after Peralta had died. Before the body was confiscated he had said Capellan’s death warranted an investigation. “We will be keeping a close eye on the situation to ensure that everything is done right.”

        Woodley said the Executive Council planned to look into the issue, but maintained that the issuance of permits for brothel workers did not fall under his competency, but under that of the Lt. Governor.

        Lt. Governor Hyden Gittens was off-island for most of Thursday and could not be reached for comment. Acting Lt. Governor Gerald Berkel had agreed to an interview, but in the end he was unable to fit it into his busy schedule.

        Meanwhile, as the rumour mills continue to churn in Statia, many residents believe that a policy revision would help stem the possibilities of a recurrence of the two incidents that have shaken up the island’s 3,000-plus population.
        The Daily Herald St. Maarten
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Mel365
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        Zing

        Do you know when elissa is leaving. I am off to bog for a week on saturday then back to Sxm via Campo.

        I would like to try a tln or two with her.

        please pm me your schedule through 5/12.

        Thanks

        Mel
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Lechman
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        Originally Posted by Mel365
        Do you know when elissa is leaving. I am off to bog for a week on saturday then back to Sxm via Campo.

        I would like to try a tln or two with her.

        please pm me your schedule through 5/12.

        Thanks

        Mel
        Spoke with Elissa today on the phone, and she told me she was leaving on May 19th for Colombia.
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Max_Candy
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        7-8 is slow

        7-8 seems to be time for dinner and no girls in Carolinas or seamans at that time.


        PS How do you say "Golden shower or i want to pee in your month" in Spanish?
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Zing23
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        petite chateau

        A big change at Petite Chateau. Elissa told me that all the girls there are now colombianas except for one. Used to mostly Dominicanas. Average looks is not as good as carolina or seamans, but the girls are fun and cute.

        Met MaxCandy and had a good chat. Nice to meet you guy.

        -zing
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Max_Candy
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        Originally Posted by Zing23
        A big change at Petite Chateau. Elissa told me that all the girls there are now colombianas except for one. Used to mostly Dominicanas. Average looks is not as good as carolina or seamans, but the girls are fun and cute.

        Met MaxCandy and had a good chat. Nice to meet you guy.

        -zing
        Zing- Was good to meet you too.

        4 days here so far…

        My first thoughts.

        Yes Carolina is still best with Seaman's and Defiance coming in second

        I like Defiance cause girls get up and show there stuff, if your into looks like I am its a great way to check them all out before making your choice.
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Mel365
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        Silvia-the dancer from Carolinas

        Sylvia called me today.

        she is now in Panama for 3 months "dancing" at La Bodeguita Discoteque and Bar . It is definitely worth a trip to visit her.

        Pm me if you are interested in more info.

        Mel
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply
      • Mel365
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        What a day

        Today was a very interesting day for me. First, I wrote to C my Bogota novia and we shared I/m live video. It was fun as she put on a preview of what was in store for me when I arrive later this week. I have never viewed live porn before but this was definitely FUN!

        Then Silvia the dancer called me from Panama.

        She is working there and needs to see me.

        Then E The nonpro Colombian that lives in Saba called me from Medallin and wants to come to the states (Dutch Passport) to visit or she will come to sxm in 2 weeks. I think I will invite her to sxm to make the boat rock and roll.

        Then Kavita from Seamans called and said she was coming up to the states soon.

        Finally, O mi Novia from Periera wrote me a hot letter. This one was mild. When she gets on a roll you can get a hard on Just reading what she wants to do with you. I really need to plan a second visit to Panama and Colombia soon. This work stuff gets in the way of my mongering.

        As I wrote to a fellow monger---too many chicas and only one dick.

        Mel
        Posted 6 years ago | #Reply

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