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  1. LuckyEddie
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    Originally Posted by Bobsthrobbinknob
    So the INFORMATION that one pays 500 pesos more for a taxi ride is correct?

    Oh... I see... just taking another UNNECESSARY piss at Frank. I appreciate you pointing out the law is an old one, it merely shows some egotistical jealousy you have with Frank.
    I like Frank alot - one of my favs here. I bust him and AG as much as possible. Both have me rolling with some of their posts. This is not a new law and I am just trying to keep the facts straight on this board where oftimes there is a great deal of misinformation.

    Originally Posted by Bobsthrobbinknob
    ..however it doesn't change the fact that I STILL MUST PAY AN EXTRA 500 PESOS ON MY NEXT DECEMBER TAXI RIDE.
    An extra 25 cents down the drain - and yet somehow life goes on.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  2. LuckyEddie
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    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad

    For me, there are two problems with most of the prostitution in Medellin:

    (1) With only one exception (a black girl at Abydos), all the girls or women working in these places I saw were overweight, and I saw exactly one pretty face (which was that of the girl I chose at Fase II). There are pretty young, thin women in Medellin, but none I've seen were working as prostitutes.

    On the other hand, if you like women with big bubble butts and don't care if a woman has a pretty face, Medellin is your place. The girls at these central Medellin casas or apartments are almost all caucasian and young, and some of them might be just fine if you like moderately chubby girl-next-door types.
    The reason for this is private enterprise. Ricker John Gault and a few other thrive on finding the diamonds in the rough - new to the field or at least new working in MDE. A great deal of these girls - the really good looking ones, thin model types that you are looking for - get a good deal of clients who "discover" them in the casas and get them to do TLN, which pays better and she's with a guy she already knows, trusts and had has hand selected for the TLN (the selection is a two way street). Couple that with some high paying Traquetos and foreigners and she can go private 3-4 nights a week at 525.000 a week take home at normal rates (min wage is @ 460K for the entire month) as opposed to under 300K-400K a week at the casa. I know a girl who makes over 4 millones a month and she has not worked at casa on over 2 years. If and when Johns and referrals dry up she goes back to the casa for abot 3 months and builds up more private clientelle - just like a stock broker cold calls.

    This is why the really hot girls are only at the casas short time upon embarking on the career or short spats thereafter. Some good looking spinners go right to private thanks to other factors not mentioned here.


    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    (2) At all but the strip clubs (such as Fase II, San Diego Grill, and La Napa Lady's Night Club), the only familiarity you have with the girls before you have to choose one to spend time and money on is the less than one minute she walks in and shakes your hand or displays her bikini-clad body, front and back, to you. You have no opportunity talk with her and see if (a) she seems to like you, (b) is affectionate, (c) can communicate with you verbally, (d) is reasonably intelligent and pleasant to deal with. I need more getting-to-know-you time than that to feel like doing anything affectionate or sexual.
    Which is why mongering here for less than a few weeks has its drawbacks. You might need to do 4-6 duds before you find that 1 keeper and no, there is no place to hang out and get to know them (OK one place in Fatima) except in the bedroom. Or as another poster suggested you can build up a list of keepers every trip. This is the main reason I recommend SXM for mongering as you can socialize and click. As opposed to Wam bam thank you mam in Medellin - the girls get presented, they twirl, you choose and half an hour later you are out the door, zipping up your fly on the way out.

    Some guys who are making up for lost time and counting notches for the lowest price possible love this. They are more into quantity than quality. obviously they are not screwing 50 year old leppers, I'm just saying...

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    Since the level of attractiveness of the young woman at the inexpensive casas in central Medellin wasn't what I was hoping to find, I looked through reports on cityxguide.com to find the most expensive places, thinking maybe the girls would be model-thin and prettier where the prices are higher. At Loutron (Calle 12 Sur, No. 10-245) the madam quoted me 210,000 Colombian pesos ($110 US) for 1 hour, which is much more than you will pay for the same time at casas in central Medellin. However, without exception, all the women in the lineup at Loutron were so overweight I found them unappealing. I didn't see a truly pretty face, either. The situation was the same at Energy (Carrera 74, No. 49-101) where I was quoted 90,000 Colombian pesos; I can't remember how much time that was for.
    Said many times on here before - in the casas and strip joints higher price does not always mean higher quality in any department.

    However the higher end places do generally have less fuglies - it's just that when there are a coupla sweethearts in the lower end places guys tend to only remember those and who can blame them? So they will say the girls are the same across the board in looks - but going to Fase II or San Diego and then to the Centro Strip clubs only Ray Charles would not notice a difference.

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    San Diego Grill, Calle 37, No. 45-15. This is a place to go after 8 p.m. after many of the private casas or apartments have closed. I was told entry was free ("libre") but after I went in and sat down a waiter told me there was a minimum drink purchase requirement, so I left without buying anything. Given enough time to look through the crowd, I might have found a girl I liked, but none I did see looked good to me.
    You can surely find great working girls in SD and all over the casas and strip clubs, even if you have high standards but it takes some persistence. As mentioned earlier some of the regulars here are great hunters.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  3. Crypton
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    No disrespect to Param AND I don't claim to be an expert on MDE. When I was there in 2005, my experience was quite different. I found the women in MDE to be very attractive with a large proportion of WG being excellent. I would love to go back to MDE again... but alas. Perhaps more seasoned mongers can comment on this post - perhaps things have changed in MDE?


    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    Greetings to all from Medellin!

    The above quotation is from my last post (9/30/2010) in the St. Maarten (SXM, Dutch side) section. But now I can speak from experience, having spent several days in Medellin.

    There is a lot positive to be said about Medellin. Despite being only 6 degrees north latitude, where I thought the temperature would be hot all year, right now in December, daytime is T-shirt or short-sleeve weather, and sometimes at night it has been cool enough I've needed a long-sleeved shirt (and sometimes an umbrella) to keep me comfortable. The 5,000 ft. above sea level elevation is probably one of the reasons for the comfortable temperature. Hotels, taxis and prostitutes are inexpensive in Medellin. The cheapest rental car I could find at the Medellin airport was $99 US per day. Taxis are so inexpensive and readily available I suggest avoiding the expense and parking hassle and difficulty navigating to your destination associated with having a rental car. I took a bus from the airport to central Medellin for about $7 US: The driver accepted US currency. So did taxi drivers, although you might save a little money by paying in Colombian pesos. The most expensive taxi ride I did was 15,000 Colombian pesos ($7.89 at the current exchange rate of $1 US = 1900 Colombian pesos). It is never difficult to find a taxi when I want one wherever in the City I am, and the taxi drivers so-far have all been friendly and have done a good job of getting me to the address I give them. I've seen no evidence of taxi scams such as payments to taxi drivers for delivering customers whereby me, the customer, is charged more at the club I'm going to because I arrived in a taxi, which was commonplace in Prague, Czech Republic when I was there a few years ago. Hotel rooms with a private bathroom I've stopped to look at ranged from about $6 US (yes, six dollars US! - tiny rooms with no exterior window in central Medellin) to $64 US per night at nicer hotels. With one exception, all Colombians I've met have been very nice people who went out of their way to be helpful, including hotel managers and front desk clerks and other hotel employees, taxi drivers, store clerks, a young woman who went out of her way to show me the way to walk to a post office, waitresses, and the people in the massage parlors and casas. Colombians are also very patient with my limited knowledge of Spanish. The one exception to how nice Colombians have been to me was late at night on a sidewalk in central Medellin: A young caucasian man grabbed me, shouting I don't know what, and in the ensuing scuffle I got knocked onto the sidewalk. But then as I got up my attacker and his amigos went away, either because he saw he had a fight on his hands or because a taxi driver stopped next to us to watch the fight. After this when I asked a hotel employee for directions to a place in the same area he warned me the area was "malo" (bad).

    The setup at the "casas" or apartments in central Medellin are all about the same. The outside of the building is totally nondescript. Absolutely nothing outside gives any hint of what's going on inside or even that it is a business. I have no idea how customers find these brothels and massage parlors other than through cityxguide.com and word-of-mouth. The only way to identify the place is to have the exact address or ask a taxi driver. From the outside all these places look like a typical city residence.

    You ring the door bell and are led to a room where you are invited to sit and wait. After a few minutes, girls come in one at a time to kiss you on the cheek or shake your hand and say her name. They may be wearing normal street clothes or more revealing attire. At Loutron, Abydos, and Energy (see addresses and GPS positions below), the girls, wearing a white shirt or coat that covers them from shoulders to hips, enter the room where you wait. Then they stand in front of you facing you, take off the white garment revealing the tiny tops and g-strings they are wearing beneath, and then turn around so you can see their almost nude backsides. While doing this she tells you her name so you will know who to ask for if you choose her after you've seen the all the girls. At all of these places I said "no, gracias" (no thanks) and left without choosing anyone and never heard any complaints or snide remarks nor was otherwise made to feel uncomfortable because I didn't like any of the girls in the lineup.

    What's amazing about Medellin, and probably why so many men rave about the City as a sex tourism destination, is how cheap prostitution is: A typical price is 30,000 Colombian pesos ($15.79 in US currency) for 30 minutes. That is without question cheapest prostitution I've found anywhere. It is better than the Fylis/Filis Street area in Athens, Greece, where the price when I was there was about $15 worth of Greek drachmas (which means this was before the days of the Eurodollar). But in Athens (according to the madam or gentleman I spoke with at each of these places) that $15 worth of local currency bought you no more than 5 minutes with the prostitute - barely enough time for a mechanical "slam, bam, thank you, Mam!" (I wasn't tempted.)

    For me, there are two problems with most of the prostitution in Medellin: (1) With only one exception (a black girl at Abydos), all the girls or women working in these places I saw were overweight, and I saw exactly one pretty face (which was that of the girl I chose at Fase II). There are pretty young, thin women in Medellin, but none I've seen were working as prostitutes. On the other hand, if you like women with big bubble butts and don't care if a woman has a pretty face, Medellin is your place. The girls at these central Medellin casas or apartments are almost all caucasian and young, and some of them might be just fine if you like moderately chubby girl-next-door types. (2) At all but the strip clubs (such as Fase II, San Diego Grill, and La Napa Lady's Night Club), the only familiarity you have with the girls before you have to choose one to spend time and money on is the less than one minute she walks in and shakes your hand or displays her bikini-clad body, front and back, to you. You have no opportunity talk with her and see if (a) she seems to like you, (b) is affectionate, (c) can communicate with you verbally, (d) is reasonably intelligent and pleasant to deal with. I need more getting-to-know-you time than that to feel like doing anything affectionate or sexual.

    Since the level of attractiveness of the young woman at the inexpensive casas in central Medellin wasn't what I was hoping to find, I looked through reports on cityxguide.com to find the most expensive places, thinking maybe the girls would be model-thin and prettier where the prices are higher. At Loutron (Calle 12 Sur, No. 10-245) the madam quoted me 210,000 Colombian pesos ($110 US) for 1 hour, which is much more than you will pay for the same time at casas in central Medellin. However, without exception, all the women in the lineup at Loutron were so overweight I found them unappealing. I didn't see a truly pretty face, either. The situation was the same at Energy (Carrera 74, No. 49-101) where I was quoted 90,000 Colombian pesos; I can't remember how much time that was for.

    After visiting all of the below listed clubs or casas, the only place I found anyone who appealed to me was Fase II. When I arrived at Fase II about 6:30 p.m., I asked and was permitted to look at the rooms at South Beach Hostel next door, which is apparently part of Fase II. South Beach Hostel is an interesting setup: smaller buildings built inside a larger building. The rooms are, in my opinion, very nice with comfortable beds, clean linens and towels, and a private bathroom including shower. However, the employee of South Beach Hostel who gave me permission to take a look at the rooms told me Fase II doesn't open until 7:30 p.m. I explored the Premium Plaza Shopping Mall on the opposite side of the street (Carrera 44) from Fase II and South Beach Hostel and then took a taxi to a few other places before returning to Fase II at 9 p.m. Even at that hour on a Saturday night it appeared I was the only customer, or maybe one of two depending on whether the other guy sitting in the main room doing nothing was a club employee. I saw three or four girls talking with a man with SECURITY (or the Spanish word for that) on the back of his jacket. One who I think from what she was wearing is a waitress, not a dancer, actually was an attractive weight for her height but didn't have a pretty face. One of the other girls, mid-20s, had a perfectly pretty face and, while not as thin as I find most attractive, didn't look as overweigt as most of the girls I'd seen. At Fase II, unlike at Bell Suite, New Life, Masages Aiffe, Abydos, Loutron, and Energy, and most others, it is possible to have a conversation for however long you want with the girl and decide on the basis of personality as well as how she looks whether she appeals to you. After talking and holding hands awhile, she asked me, "Que quieres hacer?" (What do you want to do?) I spent about $107 for 45 minutes with her in one of the rooms at South Beach Hostel, including the cost of the room. She was so affectionate and passionate and apparently orgasmic I found myself thinking afterwards that with prostitutes like that, who needs a girlfriend?

    But still, the next time I travel somewhere for the purpose of finding intimate female company, it will probably be Spain where at clubs like S'candalo in Malaga, Estark 92/Star of the Seas in Fuengirola, Lady's Dallas in La Jonquera, or Estark 95 in Algeciras, girls with pretty faces and thin, shapely figures in sexy outfits are everywhere. If you're selective about a woman's looks, the cost is about the same. If you're of the "all cats are grey at night" philosophy, you can save yourself a lot of money in Medellin.


    Abydos, Calle 33, No. 64-198, GPS position N 06 14.378, W 075 34.946.

    Alejas, Calle 54 (Caracas), No. 42-13, is now CLOSED with "ARRIENDA" (for lease) signs in the windows.

    Bell Suite, Carrera 45 (El Palo) No. 56-45, 1st floor

    Energy, Carrera 74, No. 49-101, GPS position N 06 15.576, W 075 35.422

    La Piramide Egipto/Lindas Chicas - (named Casa de Piedra in a previous report), Calle 58 (Oriental) No. 50A-54

    Loutron, Calle 12 Sur, No. 10-245, GPS position N 06 11.086, W 075 33.273. I was quoted 210,000 Colombian pesos for 1 hour.

    Masages Aiffe, Calle 57 (Argentina) No. 43-27, Tel. 254 51 39, cell 311 761 98 50. The business card says Monday-Saturday 10 a.m. to 8 p.m., 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. on Sundays.

    Puntocon, Carrera 50A, No. 53-38: A previous report said closing time is 8 p.m., Monday through Saturday. I arrived at 7:45 p.m. on a Saturday and found the place shuttered (closed).

    New Life, Calle 56 (Bolivia), No. 43-39, 2nd floor

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    Unlike the above, which have no signs outside, the below have bright neon lights like typical night clubs and restaurants:

    Fase II, Carrera 44, No. 30-27 (behind Premium Plaza mall), GPS position N 06 13.818, W 075 34.245. I paid 10,000 Colombian pesos ($5.25 US) to enter. I was not hassled when I was asked if I wanted to order a drink and said no.

    La Napa Lady's Night Club, Cra. 50 No. 52-10, Tel. 511 94 26. This is a strip club that is open until after midnight. There was no entry fee, but the waiter wouldn't go away until I ordered a drink, which I did in this case.

    San Diego Grill, Calle 37, No. 45-15. This is a place to go after 8 p.m. after many of the private casas or apartments have closed. I was told entry was free ("libre") but after I went in and sat down a waiter told me there was a minimum drink purchase requirement, so I left without buying anything. Given enough time to look through the crowd, I might have found a girl I liked, but none I did see looked good to me.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  4. Knowledge
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    You are both right, IMHO

    The cliche is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, or to each his own etc. I appreciate how well written Param's report is. It's much easier to evaluate things like taxi fares because they are the same for everybody. Any guy's preference for thicker or thinner women is harder to compare. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer for that. You have to judge for yourself and it's obviously harder to do that without pictures.

    I get an uneasy feeling. Personally. About the desire to want to "connect" with the girls before you can fuck them. It's nothing wrong with that in my opinion but I don't think it's realistic to think it will happen with any consistency if you don't invest anymore than a few days. I'm not saying you have to go to Medellin and get married (I wouldn't recommend it there or anywhere else but that's for another post) but I do think anyone who needs to develop a relationship with girls to be satisfied better be ready to block out more than a week or two to do it.

    Originally Posted by Crypton
    No disrespect to Param AND I don't claim to be an expert on MDE. When I was there in 2005, my experience was quite different. I found the women in MDE to be very attractive with a large proportion of WG being excellent. I would love to go back to MDE again... but alas. Perhaps more seasoned mongers can comment on this post - perhaps things have changed in MDE?
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  5. Param_Ahmad
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    Originally Posted by Mr Gogo
    Thats even worse, that you think you can club hop with the same bottle of water you had from other clubs(cheap bastard).
    My bottle of water from La Napa was still shrinkwrap sealed and mostly hidden in what I was carrying when I sat down in San Diego Grill. I wasn't trying to fool anybody as you imply.

    ...You travel half way around the world and balk at buying a beer...
    I balked at dishonesty. And I did not come to Medellin because of the women here.

    That deception talk is bullshit.
    At the entrance I asked and was told entry was "libre" (free), and nothing was said about a minimum drink purchase requirement until I was inside and sat down.

    You want to set the rules in someones establishment to fit what you want.
    The only "rule" here is people abiding by their word. That's not just my rule.

    But if you owned the club you would do the same thing.
    If I owned the Club I would tell all my employees dealing honesty with customers is a requirement of working for me, both because it is right and because it is good for business.

    You did right to leave if you feel you were mislead...
    I'm glad we agree here. That's what I did. Annoying business practices like saying one thing and doing another would stop if more customers said no and refused to patronize such businesses as I did. It is a relatively minor annoyance, but it is all too commonplace. I thought I was doing my fellow cityxguide.com members and readers a favor of letting them know which businesses operate this way.

    Medellin is not for you and good luck in Spain.
    True, I won't be back to Medellin seeking female company.

    I can see the expression at the clubs from the workers when you arrive (Here comes this cheap bastard damn!)
    Actually, part of the fun in Spain is having so many beautiful young women after me (or at least what's in my wallet) it's hard to choose!

    Thanks for contributing your political frustration (Obamacare) to this sex board.
    Sorry if my three word parenthetical comment "(that includes Obamacare)" offended you!
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  6. Psychman
    Inactive

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    My bottle of water from La Napa was still shrinkwrap sealed and mostly hidden in what I was carrying when I sat down in San Diego Grill. I wasn't trying to fool anybody as you imply.

    I balked at dishonesty. And I did not come to Medellin because of the women here.

    At the entrance I asked and was told entry was "libre" (free), and nothing was said about a minimum drink purchase requirement until I was inside and sat down.

    The only "rule" here is people abiding by their word. That's not just my rule.

    If I owned the Club I would tell all my employees dealing honesty with customers is a requirement of working for me, both because it is right and because it is good for business.

    I'm glad we agree here. That's what I did. Annoying business practices like saying one thing and doing another would stop if more customers said no and refused to patronize such businesses as I did. It is a relatively minor annoyance, but it is all too commonplace. I thought I was doing my fellow cityxguide.com members and readers a favor of letting them know which businesses operate this way.

    True, I won't be back to Medellin seeking female company.

    Actually, part of the fun in Spain is having so many beautiful young women after me (or at least what's in my wallet) it's hard to choose!

    Sorry if my three word parenthetical comment "(that includes Obamacare)" offended you!
    Hmmm....I might have to call bullshit here (or suspect bullshit), as the doorman most certainly did not say "libre", but would have said "gratis" to mean "free." Libre is not used in Spanish to refer to free in the monetary senes, but in the sense of "liberty" or "free pass" or used in duty free, at times, as something of a bastardization....So, I guess this makes me wonder about the veracity of your post...Just saying...
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  7. Gfe_Finder
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    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    For me, there are two problems with most of the prostitution in Medellin: ... (2) At all but the strip clubs (such as Fase II, San Diego Grill, and La Napa Lady's Night Club), the only familiarity you have with the girls before you have to choose one to spend time and money on is the less than one minute she walks in and shakes your hand or displays her bikini-clad body, front and back, to you. You have no opportunity talk with her and see if (a) she seems to like you, (b) is affectionate, (c) can communicate with you verbally, (d) is reasonably intelligent and pleasant to deal with. I need more getting-to-know-you time than that to feel like doing anything affectionate or sexual.
    This need to assess chemistry with the girl is a huge issue for me as well, and a problem I encountered my first time there. I didn't request to speak with the girls but I was told after the fact that asking some questions is OK. (Can someone please confirm that this still holds true?)

    In fact, I can't recall off the top of my head a prive-style brothel anywhere in the world that I've been to where my request to talk with a girl was declined. If that were the case, that's a real good indicator that the place is merely a "wham-bam" factory and not for me.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  8. Cubanut
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    Does Your Dog Bite?

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    My bottle of water from La Napa was still shrink wrap sealed and mostly hidden in what I was carrying when I sat down in San Diego Grill. I wasn't trying to fool anybody as you imply.
    Would it be safe to assume you don't drink alcohol? Maybe not even water if you made it to a second bar without opening the bottle.

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    I balked at dishonesty. And I did not come to Medellin because of the women here.
    Are YOU being totally honest in this statement? What DID you come to Medellin for? Certainly not the bottled water! It's not that great in my opinion. Oh wait a minute.come to think of it I can't really say that since I don't believe I've ever bought a bottle of water in Medellin. Beer, wine and the tap water (with ice) at the Casa Blanca 1 & 2 have never made me sick.

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    At the entrance I asked and was told entry was "libre" (free), and nothing was said about a minimum drink purchase requirement until I was inside and sat down.
    The doorman was telling you the truth. You asked if there was an entry fee and he said no. You got in without paying, right? Unlike Fase II that does charge an upright fee to step foot inside.

    No one told you you had to sit and stay, I know many guys who will go in and walk a lap or two to take a look see and then decide to stay or not. However once they take a seat it's a given (at least in a strip joint) that one is expected to make a purchase. It's nothing new and probably not something even worth writing about.

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    The only "rule" here is people abiding by their word. That's not just my rule.
    "Really"?

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    If I owned the Club I would tell all my employees dealing honesty with customers is a requirement of working for me, both because it is right and because it is good for business.
    My goodness, it's not like the guy said " Come in! There's Free Pussy inside! ".

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    Annoying business practices like saying one thing and doing another would stop if more customers said no and refused to patronize such businesses as I did.
    Not in the case of a Strip Joint. The multitude of men that come to see and pay for play with the girls could give two shits about such a minor "perceived" infraction.

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    I won't be back to Medellin seeking female company.
    You said before that you didn't come to Medellin for the women. So when were YOU being dishonest, then or now?

    By the way, I'll bet you a bottle of water that you do return.

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    Actually, part of the fun in Spain is having so many beautiful young women after me (or at least what's in my wallet) it's hard to choose!
    I agree with you on this statement. I had a blast in Spain.

    Stay Horny My Friend,

    Cubanut
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  9. Almotu
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    The centro casa dynamic

    Let's face it guys the casas are "wham bam" factories. There is nothing wrong with that. At least with the casas in Medellin, the girls come out in a line-up. With some clinicas in Sao Paulo, they only have a photo album or pictures on the wall.

    I always ask to speak to the girl that I am interested in after the line-up. I have never been turned down. Once I was told to tell the manager what I wanted to ask the girl and it was relayed to her in the dressing room.

    It's not a perfect system but for 30K ($16 at the moment) you can get to know a cutie for 30mins. If sparks fly you can ask for her number and arrange future 'dates' !

    Mr Ahmad can have his own opinion. Personally I don't know Spain but the euro being what it is, I doubt the beauties he is talking about would accept $16USD.

    For daytime action in Medellin, it is tough to beat the casas in centro. If you want to hang out, drink and possibly chit chat with the girls there is the strip clubs on Maracaibo which get started around 5pm. Perhaps Medellin could do with some fresh concepts.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  10. Ricker
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    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad

    ... For me, there are two problems with most of the prostitution in Medellin: (1) With only one exception (a black girl at Abydos), all the girls or women working in these places I saw were overweight ...

    ... The girls at these central Medellin casas or apartments are almost all caucasian and young, and some of them might be just fine if you like moderately chubby girl-next-door types ...
    I agree amigo, sometimes you have to do lots of hunting to find 'your keeper' and the quality definitely runs in cycles, from very disappointing to 'damn, it's my lucky day'.

    Chicas come and go in these casas frequently.


    Originally Posted by Almotu

    Let's face it guys the casas are "wham bam" factories. There is nothing wrong with that. At least with the casas in Medellin, the girls come out in a line-up. With some clinicas in Sao Paulo, they only have a photo album or pictures on the wall.

    I always ask to speak to the girl that I am interested in after the line-up. I have never been turned down. Once I was told to tell the manager what I wanted to ask the girl and it was relayed to her in the dressing room.

    It's not a perfect system but for 30K ($16 at the moment) you can get to know a cutie for 30mins. If sparks fly you can ask for her number and arrange future 'dates' !

    Mr Ahmad can have his own opinion. Personally I don't know Spain but the euro being what it is, I doubt the beauties he is talking about would accept $16USD ...
    You're right on Al, hard to beat the price.

    I also, always ask to speak with the chica for a bit before choosing her.
    Just chit chat with her a bit, I try to get her to laugh and feel comfortable with me too, all while I'm feeling out her attitude.
    Sometimes I'll throw a little propina (tip) to the guy or gal presenting the chicas if they allowed me some chit chat with them.
    They'll remeber ya when you return too.
    Amazing what 2000 pesos will get ya.

    It used to be when you entered a casa, everyone, out of curiousity wanted to see and / or be with the gringo, but now we're so common-place, that it pays to set yourself apart too.
    Speaking spanish, showing that you're nice and easy-going, etc.

    Like you said, you can hit some of the central strip clubs for chatting up the chicas too.


    Originally Posted by LuckyEddie
    The reason for this is private enterprise. Ricker John Gault and a few other thrive on finding the diamonds in the rough - new to the field or at least new working in MDE ...
    Bingo LuckyEddie!
    You hit the nail right on the head.
    Param Ahmad is absolutely correct in his assesment of general quality of the 'el central chicas', however, at least for me, the search is fun and when you find the diamond in the rough, it makes it all worth while.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  11. LuckyEddie
    Inactive

    I thought you said your dog doesn't bite?

    I thought you said your dog doesn't bite?

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    I would tell all my employees dealing honesty with customers is a requirement of working for me.

    *

    At the entrance I asked and was told entry was "libre" (free) , and nothing was said about a minimum drink purchase requirement until I was inside and sat down.
    You walked all the way inside? And nothing was said about being able to stay for hours without spending money until you sat down and were greeted by the waiter? And then you got up and left? Not only did you waste 3 whole minutes possibly more, you trudged all the way from Centro in the rain hauling that water bottle just to end up being decieved and taken advantage of, not to mention how much money you spent on the airfare and the hostal and other expenses, punitive damages and so on.

    I smell lawsuit!

    All humor aside (there was humor?) , customers who do not pay for goods and services are not customers and what type of business owners doesn't want customers? Supply and demand in a free market dictates that the owner impose whatever policies in order to run the business sucessfully.

    You are the owner, do you want all 20 of your tables (that seat 4) occupied by one guy drinking water?

    Your mistake was asking the wrong question or being clueless as to how businesses run. Next time ask the doorman,"I only drink water, I bought my own, I don't spend much money, I am by myself and just want to come in and take up a table and stay for a few hours, talk to some women and MAYBE just MAYBE take one to the back room if she so happens to meet my standards and will come down in price to what I would pay in the Centro casas"

    You have some sort of policy about delaing in honesty, cierto?

    The problem was YOU were not honest and up front, you are not a good customer, you represent a negative impact on sales. You cost the owner money by going in.

    You left so it was a win win situation for you and the owner.

    I love happy endings.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  12. LuckyEddie
    Inactive

    Originally Posted by Ricker
    Param Ahmad is absolutely correct in his assesment of general quality of the 'el central chicas
    True! Ya got to weed though a lot in the centro casas and strip clubs. I don't know how some of these guys could even admit to being with alot of these women but to each his own, beauty is In the eye of the beholder. If one has high standards and is looking for non flabby well built providers that turn heads it could take a long time in centro clubs and casas! Happy hunting.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  13. Viajando_Musico
    Inactive

    Personally I want to applause Param Ahmad for an excellent report. Haven't being back to Colombia for a few years now, a report like this updates what is happening in the wonderland. Very discouraging though when putting time and efforts to write a report but got slammed by others just because they think differently.

    I have been to Spain and Colombia several times each, but I wouldn't say girls are prettier in one country over the other. Each is unique in its own way but both are fun destinations for Gentlemen. Actually you will find a lot of Colombian girls in Spain as well, but you won't know until they speak. Moneywise Colombia definitely costs a lot less than Spain. If the stay is less than 1-2 weeks, and cost is not a concern, I would choose Spain over Colombia whether it was Madrid, Barcelona or Costa del Sol, for safety and all different activities you can do other than mongering. If receiving GFE or developing some kind of relationship with a young girl, working or not, over an extended stay is the focus, then one can definitely do better in Colombia than in Spain. Not too many young Spanish girls will go out with guys 10-20 years older.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  14. Param_Ahmad
    Inactive

    Part of the fun of being a writer is seeing other's reactions. My report on Medellin has elicited a lot of reactions! Another goal writers have, and one of mine, is changing what's wrong with the world. I appreciate the complements about my writing style and the content of my report from The Tall Man, John, and Viajando Musico. I've benefited from information in previous reports on cityxguide.com particularly about Spain. Without the cityxguide.com I wouldn't have known about most of the places I checked out in Medellin. I wanted to add information that would be useful to you guys.

    What DID you come to Medellin for?
    You said before that you didn't come to Medellin for the women. So when were YOU being dishonest, then or now? By the way, I'll bet you a bottle of water that you do return.
    The second writer is referring to my saying "I won't be back to Medellin seeking female company." I didn't mean to imply I originally came to Medellin seeking female company. I came to Medellin for health care. If I return to Medellin, it will be for the same reason. Google "medical tourism" or "Americans leaving America for health care" to learn more about this.

    The doorman was telling you the truth. You asked if there was an entry fee and he said no. You got in without paying, right?
    You could look at it that way. But most of the time, when I ask what it costs to enter or if it's free, I'm told if there is a one or two drink minimum.

    The multitude of men that come to see and pay for play with the girls could give two shits about such a minor "perceived" infraction.
    That's true, which is why it continues. It's sometimes called bait and switch.

    The problem was YOU were not honest and up front, you are not a good customer, you represent a negative impact on sales. You cost the owner money by going in.
    There's nothing dishonest about asking if it will cost me anything to take a look. Too many times I've paid a cover charge, as much as $30 (US currency) , only to see within one minute after entering I've wasted my money. As for being a good customer, I've paid, if memory serves me correctly, $60 or more (US) just to buy a pretty young woman a drink at Hot in Madrid, half of which went to the club, not the girl. But many of the girls at Hot were stunningly beautiful and well worth the price, even after I found out I'd picked one of the girls who was only a dancer and who never spent time alone in a private room with the club's customers. I recall spending close to $100 (US) in a single night buying drinks for a girl employed by a club in Athens, Greece, and thinking her company was worth the cost even though we never went beyond holding hands in the club's main room. I might have spent as much or more at San Diego Grill had I not been confronted with a demand I buy a drink I didn't want or need.

    Hmmm....I might have to call bullshit here (or suspect bullshit), as the doorman most certainly did not say "libre", but would have said "gratis" to mean "free." Libre is not used in Spanish to refer to free in the monetary senes, but in the sense of "liberty" or "free pass" or used in duty free, at times, as something of a bastardization....So, I guess this makes me wonder about the veracity of your post...Just saying...
    The doorman was replying to my question, which is usually "Quanto para entrar?" (How much to enter?) or "Es libre a entrar?" (Is free to enter?). If the choice of words was incorrect, it was because of my limited knowledge of Spanish. I think he did repeat "libre" after he heard it from me (something like "Si, libre").

    Gentlemen, it's annoying to be accused of being dishonest when I was accurate in every detail.

    I agree amigo, sometimes you have to do lots of hunting to find 'your keeper' ...
    I assume you mean a prostitute you'll see more than once or twice."Keeper" usually refers to a girlfriend or wife rather than to a prostitute. In some places, it's easier to find a pretty girlfriend than a pretty prostitute! Medellin seemed to me to be such a place. I saw a lot of pretty girls in Medellin in public squares and on sidewalks, but I saw only one prostitute with a pretty face, and none except the black girl at Abydos had a really good figure.

    ... and the quality definitely runs in cycles, from very disappointing to 'damn, it's my lucky day'.
    This is true: I can remember when seeing the girls behind windows in the Brussels, Belgium red light district (RLD) was disappointing. A few years went by and I was amazed by how many great looking women I saw there. So the selection in Medellin may at times be better than when I was there.

    One last bit of useful information for future visitors to Medellin: It took me a little more than one full hour and 75, 000 pesos ($40 US) to get from Medellin to the airport in a taxi.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  15. Knowledge
    Inactive

    Airport taxi fare is 52, 000 pesos

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    One last bit of useful information for future visitors to Medellin: It took me a little more than one full hour and 75, 000 pesos ($40 US) to get from Medellin to the airport in a taxi.
    There are two unfortunate possibilities:

    1. You were ripped off.

    2. You are misrepresenting the facts.

    I'm not sure which is worse but in any case the taxi fare between Medellin and the MDE airport is fixed at 52, 000 pesos. However long the traffic may extend the travel time.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  16. Chesscat
    Inactive

    Bus from airport

    Why don't more people take the bus from the airport? It's friendly, it takes a little longer but the cost is only 6k. You can take a bus to close to where you want to go, and then a taxi say for another 6k, and save 40k. What's wrong with that?

    Chesscat
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  17. Acqua
    Inactive

    Originally Posted by Knowledge
    There are two unfortunate possibilities:

    I'm not sure which is worse but in any case the taxi fare between Medellin and the MDE airport is fixed at 52, 000 pesos. However long the traffic may extend the travel time.
    As of last week, the fare was 55K per the posted medallion / sticker in the cabs-not sure if this differs by cab company to cab company though?
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  18. Trntndr
    Inactive

    Originally Posted by Agwood69
    Guys,

    I have been a lurker here for a few months but this is my first post.

    Unfortunately my first post here is not a trip report or anything fun like that, I am posting here because I need a little help.

    A little about me first, I am a private security contractor working overseas. Spent many years in the active USA Military but after September 11th I was recruited to use my skills in a much more lucrative way. I am still associated with a reserve component though.

    A few months ago I met a great Colombian girl online, from Medellin in fact. We talk online a lot and we have become fantastic friends. I started to notice that she would avoid a lot of questions about her past work experiences and what she does for money currently as she said she was unemployed.

    Over time she and I entered into a relationship and she calls me her boyfriend, which is fine as I truly care about her and consider her my Girlfriend. She has asked me to spend Christmas and New years with her in Medellin and I have agreed.

    One of my co-workers one day told me that I should check this site to see if she was a working girl because things just didn't seem to add up. And sure enough there are some reports about her here and some pictures.

    I spoke with her about this (not referencing this site or any one specifically) and her response was that she told me there were things that were going to have to talk about when I get there.

    She has told me that she is no longer working, and has not for many months and she explained to me that she used to work for a few days in La Mayorista and she used to go to the Mansion a few times to make money when she needed it.

    I do not really care what she has done in her past. Seriously I don't know what has touched her life and what difficulties she has had to deal with. I am only concerned about what she is doing now.

    On her own accord She has deleted her RomanceLatina profile, she has removed many people from her Facebook page and she comes almost everyday to chat with me in MSN. I am ready to make a long term commitment to her as she is truly a sweet and amazing woman.

    Her name is Carolina, or some say Karolina. She is very small and has an ever so slight cleft lip which I do not think detracts from her beauty at all.

    But there are just some things that leave me uncomfortable, and truly I would rather spend time with my friends or Parents over Christmas if she has been dishonest with me about her working status.

    I work way too hard and have far too much to loose if she is playing me, lying to me or not telling me the truth about what she is doing and has been doing for the past few months. I am a pretty serious guy, I do some pretty serious work and I just don't need anything like this in my life now or ever.

    I would rather bow out silently than waste my time and effort coming to Medellin to see her.

    I know no one here owes me anything, but I am just reaching out to figure a few things out before I buy a plane ticket to go to Medellin.

    Thank you in advance for your help,

    Agwood
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  19. Trntndr
    Inactive

    Sucker?

    Originally Posted by Agwood69
    Guys,

    I have been a lurker here for a few months but this is my first post.

    Unfortunately my first post here is not a trip report or anything fun like that, I am posting here because I need a little help.

    A little about me first, I am a private security contractor working overseas. Spent many years in the active USA Military but after September 11th I was recruited to use my skills in a much more lucrative way. I am still associated with a reserve component though.

    A few months ago I met a great Colombian girl online, from Medellin in fact. We talk online a lot and we have become fantastic friends. I started to notice that she would avoid a lot of questions about her past work experiences and what she does for money currently as she said she was unemployed.

    Over time she and I entered into a relationship and she calls me her boyfriend, which is fine as I truly care about her and consider her my Girlfriend. She has asked me to spend Christmas and New years with her in Medellin and I have agreed.

    One of my co-workers one day told me that I should check this site to see if she was a working girl because things just didn't seem to add up. And sure enough there are some reports about her here and some pictures.

    I spoke with her about this (not referencing this site or any one specifically) and her response was that she told me there were things that were going to have to talk about when I get there.

    She has told me that she is no longer working, and has not for many months and she explained to me that she used to work for a few days in La Mayorista and she used to go to the Mansion a few times to make money when she needed it.

    I do not really care what she has done in her past. Seriously I don't know what has touched her life and what difficulties she has had to deal with. I am only concerned about what she is doing now.

    On her own accord She has deleted her RomanceLatina profile, she has removed many people from her Facebook page and she comes almost everyday to chat with me in MSN. I am ready to make a long term commitment to her as she is truly a sweet and amazing woman.

    Her name is Carolina, or some say Karolina. She is very small and has an ever so slight cleft lip which I do not think detracts from her beauty at all.

    But there are just some things that leave me uncomfortable, and truly I would rather spend time with my friends or Parents over Christmas if she has been dishonest with me about her working status.

    I work way too hard and have far too much to loose if she is playing me, lying to me or not telling me the truth about what she is doing and has been doing for the past few months. I am a pretty serious guy, I do some pretty serious work and I just don't need anything like this in my life now or ever.

    I would rather bow out silently than waste my time and effort coming to Medellin to see her.

    I know no one here owes me anything, but I am just reaching out to figure a few things out before I buy a plane ticket to go to Medellin.

    Thank you in advance for your help,

    Agwood
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  20. Trntndr
    Inactive

    Sucker?

    At the risk of being "flamed" by many of the veterans (cynics / realists?) on this board I am going to give my take on Agwood69's questions.

    When I arrived in Medellin my Spanish was minimal. It is now at the point where I can hold my own reasonably well, although it is still far from good. Also I should point out that I am well past my prime, and am far from being a Brad Pitt lookalike, although I am in good shape for my age.

    My time living here has taught me that the more I learn about the culture in Colombia the more I realise I have still to learn. If anything learning the culture has been a greater challenge (although lots of fun) than the language. I have been lucky enough to make friends with a number of "regular" Colombians. Male and female. In addition to the relationship that I am currently in with a beautiful yound Paisa.

    How do I define the word "relationship"? Well, I have the things that I want out of it. Companionship with a lovely, personable, very attractive girl which of course includes a very loving sexual component. She gets the financial help that she needs in order to improve her prospects for a better life, isn't in a financial position where she needs to prostitute herself with other gringos, and from time to time gets to go with me on vacations that are beyond anything she could have dreamed. Also I treat her with the utmost respect and pamper her with regalos, clothes etc.

    Does she have another life beyond her life with me? Of course, and it's one that I will never be able to enter, even if I wanted to, which I don't. Having said that, I believe that there are certain essentials that as a gringo must be met for an arrangement like this to succeed over a period of time:

    1) there must be a "connection" between both parties at some level beyond the basic "sex for money." For this language is only one. Although one extremely important. Component.

    2) honesty. Again on both sides. Is critical. This is where I fully expect to be flamed, but all I will say is that she knows that the very first time I catch her lying to me, it's over. And so far I haven't caught her lying.

    3) trust. This is a biggy for me, and it has taken me a very long time to reach the point where I feel that I can trust her.

    4) have a budget and be sure to stay within it. They will push until they find your limit, so it's important to know what that limit is.

    I do want to emphasise the importance of these things. Without them I don't see how any long term relationship could possibly have any chance of success. Even living here, the odds are incredibly long. From outside of the country? Well, I suppose it could happen, but it would take two highly unusual and committed people.

    I don't know Carolina, but I was impressed with Cubanut's comments about her.

    To finish, yes the girl I am with would be known to some of you (perhaps a lot of you) on this board if I were to identify her. As anyone who has got to know one of these girls reasonably well will verify, what we see of them when we come to Medellin on mongering vacations doesn't begin to scratch the surface of the real person. And as someone else on this board has said, there are all types out there, bad and good. You'd better be a good judge of character and even then who really knows? All I can say for myself is that I'm living a life that wouldn't be possible in the States. At some point one of us willl end it, and when that happens I want to be able to say that I have no regrets.

    And by the way, if you want to know what Colombians really think about gringos who come down here to monger, get into a relationship with one. It isn't nice.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  21. Ricker
    Inactive

    Originally Posted by Trntndr
    At the risk of being "flamed" by many of the veterans (cynics / realists?) on this board I am going to give my take on Agwood69's questions.

    When I arrived in Medellin my Spanish was minimal. It is now at the point where I can hold my own reasonably well, although it is still far from good. Also I should point out that I am well past my prime, and am far from being a Brad Pitt lookalike, although I am in good shape for my age.

    My time living here has taught me that the more I learn about the culture in Colombia the more I realise I have still to learn. If anything learning the culture has been a greater challenge (although lots of fun) than the language. I have been lucky enough to make friends with a number of "regular" Colombians. Male and female. In addition to the relationship that I am currently in with a beautiful yound Paisa.

    How do I define the word "relationship"? Well, I have the things that I want out of it. Companionship with a lovely, personable, very attractive girl which of course includes a very loving sexual component. She gets the financial help that she needs in order to improve her prospects for a better life, isn't in a financial position where she needs to prostitute herself with other gringos, and from time to time gets to go with me on vacations that are beyond anything she could have dreamed. Also I treat her with the utmost respect and pamper her with regalos, clothes etc.

    Does she have another life beyond her life with me? Of course, and it's one that I will never be able to enter, even if I wanted to, which I don't. Having said that, I believe that there are certain essentials that as a gringo must be met for an arrangement like this to succeed over a period of time:

    1) there must be a "connection" between both parties at some level beyond the basic "sex for money." For this language is only one. Although one extremely important. Component.

    2) honesty. Again on both sides. Is critical. This is where I fully expect to be flamed, but all I will say is that she knows that the very first time I catch her lying to me, it's over. And so far I haven't caught her lying.

    3) trust. This is a biggy for me, and it has taken me a very long time to reach the point where I feel that I can trust her.

    4) have a budget and be sure to stay within it. They will push until they find your limit, so it's important to know what that limit is.

    I do want to emphasise the importance of these things. Without them I don't see how any long term relationship could possibly have any chance of success. Even living here, the odds are incredibly long. From outside of the country? Well, I suppose it could happen, but it would take two highly unusual and committed people.

    I don't know Carolina, but I was impressed with Cubanut's comments about her.

    To finish, yes the girl I am with would be known to some of you (perhaps a lot of you) on this board if I were to identify her. As anyone who has got to know one of these girls reasonably well will verify, what we see of them when we come to Medellin on mongering vacations doesn't begin to scratch the surface of the real person. And as someone else on this board has said, there are all types out there, bad and good. You'd better be a good judge of character and even then who really knows? All I can say for myself is that I'm living a life that wouldn't be possible in the States. At some point one of us willl end it, and when that happens I want to be able to say that I have no regrets.

    And by the way, if you want to know what Colombians really think about gringos who come down here to monger, get into a relationship with one. It isn't nice.
    Excellent post and advice.

    You have something nice and you're real and honest about it.

    How could ya argue with that?
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  22. Golfinho
    Inactive

    Originally Posted by Param Ahmad
    What's amazing about Medellin, and probably why so many men rave about the City as a sex tourism destination, is how cheap prostitution is: A typical price is 30, 000 Colombian pesos ($15. 79 in US currency) for 30 minutes. That is without question cheapest prostitution I've found anywhere.

    For me, there are two problems with most of the prostitution in Medellin: (1) With only one exception (a black girl at Abydos) , all the girls or women working in these places I saw were overweight, and I saw exactly one pretty face (which was that of the girl I chose at Fase II). There are pretty young, thin women in Medellin, but none I've seen were working as prostitutes. On the other hand, if you like women with big bubble butts and don't care if a woman has a pretty face, Medellin is your place. The girls at these central Medellin casas or apartments are almost all caucasian and young.
    Caucasian and young, and have had a baby. Yep, that's Medellin all right. Popular as a sex destination because it's cheap. Repeat: because it is CHEAP. It's true you will find that some of South America's finiest bodies wind up in Spain, or Italy, Geneva, Germany but there they are priced out of reach of the guy who can afford Medellin. The best a poor guy can do is try to find a young girl in Medellin down on her luck and take advantage of her cheap pricing before she moves on to the higher leagues that he can't afforder.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  23. Manizales911
    Inactive

    Originally Posted by Chesscat
    Why don't more people take the bus from the airport? It's friendly, it takes a little longer but the cost is only 6k. You can take a bus to close to where you want to go, and then a taxi say for another 6k, and save 40k. What's wrong with that?

    Chesscat
    The answer is very simple for me, safety.

    I ride the bus systems in Colombia all the time but NEVER when leaving the airport. A monger's most vulnerable time is when he walks out of the airport, it is the only time in which you have (or should have) ALL of your money, electronics, passport and other valuables in your possession. On the bus you will have many sets of eyes on you and they all will know that you have ALL of your valuables with you. The odds are slim but if you get robbed you will lose everything, for a little more than twenty dollars I get into a taxi that I myself called, make note of the taxi number and make sure the driver sees me doing so and go straight to my hotel or apartment to put my money and passport in the safe and secure my other things.

    Just one mongers opinion.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  24. Tomasb
    Inactive

    BUS vs. TAXI

    I agree with the prior posting. The other reason to take a taxi rather than the bus is because the bus drops you off somewhere in downtown MDE and not close to your final destination in El Poblado, Laureles, etc. Or where most of us would be staying. This means that you are standing on some random corner with all your luggage and valuables hoping you select the right taxi, hoping its not raining, and hoping no one hassles you while your waiting. Additionally, if I fly to MDE from the US, my flight arrives in the later evening, which compounds the safety issue.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  25. Manizales911
    Inactive

    Originally Posted by Trntndr
    At the risk of being "flamed" by many of the veterans (cynics / realists?) on this board I am going to give my take on Agwood69's questions.

    When I arrived in Medellin my Spanish was minimal. It is now at the point where I can hold my own reasonably well, although it is still far from good. Also I should point out that I am well past my prime, and am far from being a Brad Pitt lookalike, although I am in good shape for my age.

    My time living here has taught me that the more I learn about the culture in Colombia the more I realise I have still to learn. If anything learning the culture has been a greater challenge (although lots of fun) than the language. I have been lucky enough to make friends with a number of "regular" Colombians. Male and female. In addition to the relationship that I am currently in with a beautiful yound Paisa.

    How do I define the word "relationship"? Well, I have the things that I want out of it. Companionship with a lovely, personable, very attractive girl which of course includes a very loving sexual component. She gets the financial help that she needs in order to improve her prospects for a better life, isn't in a financial position where she needs to prostitute herself with other gringos, and from time to time gets to go with me on vacations that are beyond anything she could have dreamed. Also I treat her with the utmost respect and pamper her with regalos, clothes etc.

    Does she have another life beyond her life with me? Of course, and it's one that I will never be able to enter, even if I wanted to, which I don't. Having said that, I believe that there are certain essentials that as a gringo must be met for an arrangement like this to succeed over a period of time:

    1) there must be a "connection" between both parties at some level beyond the basic "sex for money." For this language is only one. Although one extremely important. Component.

    2) honesty. Again on both sides. Is critical. This is where I fully expect to be flamed, but all I will say is that she knows that the very first time I catch her lying to me, it's over. And so far I haven't caught her lying.

    3) trust. This is a biggy for me, and it has taken me a very long time to reach the point where I feel that I can trust her.

    4) have a budget and be sure to stay within it. They will push until they find your limit, so it's important to know what that limit is.

    I do want to emphasise the importance of these things. Without them I don't see how any long term relationship could possibly have any chance of success. Even living here, the odds are incredibly long. From outside of the country? Well, I suppose it could happen, but it would take two highly unusual and committed people.

    I don't know Carolina, but I was impressed with Cubanut's comments about her.

    To finish, yes the girl I am with would be known to some of you (perhaps a lot of you) on this board if I were to identify her. As anyone who has got to know one of these girls reasonably well will verify, what we see of them when we come to Medellin on mongering vacations doesn't begin to scratch the surface of the real person. And as someone else on this board has said, there are all types out there, bad and good. You'd better be a good judge of character and even then who really knows? All I can say for myself is that I'm living a life that wouldn't be possible in the States. At some point one of us willl end it, and when that happens I want to be able to say that I have no regrets.

    And by the way, if you want to know what Colombians really think about gringos who come down here to monger, get into a relationship with one. It isn't nice.
    I have a similar but not identical situation and the way I look at it is if you are getting what you want out of the relationship and are comfortable with the "cost" and she is also then there is nothing wrong with it. Read and listen to others' advise but at the end of the day it is you that has to live by your decisions so listen to your heart and nobody else.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  26. MiamiHeatLuver
    Inactive

    Originally Posted by Manizales911
    The answer is very simple for me, safety.

    I ride the bus systems in Colombia all the time but NEVER when leaving the airport. A monger's most vulnerable time is when he walks out of the airport, it is the only time in which you have (or should have) ALL of your money, electronics, passport and other valuables in your possession. On the bus you will have many sets of eyes on you and they all will know that you have ALL of your valuables with you. The odds are slim but if you get robbed you will lose everything, for a little more than twenty dollars I get into a taxi that I myself called, make note of the taxi number and make sure the driver sees me doing so and go straight to my hotel or apartment to put my money and passport in the safe and secure my other things.

    Just one mongers opinion.
    Agreed 100% if anything is going to happen to you, can you imagine getting off the Buseta with your laptop, shoulderbag, ipods, digi cams. This is a ladrones JackPot! Spring for the 55mil. If you have 2 or more people it gets cheaper when you split it obviously. That's a long ride for the cabbie presuming he has to spring for the 7500 peso toll as well. Whats left of that 55mil? Not too much profit.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  27. Ibaski
    Inactive

    Bus Vs Taxi

    I for one feel more comfy in a full bus rather than being alone in a taxi. I remember.

    The days when I used to get off the plane at 11pm in Quito and dreaded taking the taxi all

    By myself.

    I was in a taxi from airport in Quito the night coup took place and I was.

    Sweating bullets when the taxi took a turn off because of burning tires on the road. I am yet.

    To have a bad experience with a taxi in South America but still would prefer to take a common.

    Transport the first time I get off the plane if it is available.

    At least in a bus you are with a whole lot of other common folk. I have taken the bus.

    A few times from Medellin Airport (Taxi as well) and never had any issues.
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  28. Matt_Psyche
    Inactive

    English News Papers

    Where can I buy New York Times or another English news paper in Medellin? Gracias!
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  29. Pana_Nyc
    Inactive

    Originally Posted by Chesscat
    Why don't more people take the bus from the airport? It's friendly, it takes a little longer but the cost is only 6k. You can take a bus to close to where you want to go, and then a taxi say for another 6k, and save 40k. What's wrong with that?

    Chesscat
    In my opinion if you have to worry about saving 40K which is 20US on vacation than you should not be traveling stay home.

    Originally Posted by Manizales911
    The answer is very simple for me, safety.

    I ride the bus systems in Colombia all the time but NEVER when leaving the airport. A monger's most vulnerable time is when he walks out of the airport, it is the only time in which you have (or should have) ALL of your money, electronics, passport and other valuables in your possession. On the bus you will have many sets of eyes on you and they all will know that you have ALL of your valuables with you. The odds are slim but if you get robbed you will lose everything, for a little more than twenty dollars I get into a taxi that I myself called, make note of the taxi number and make sure the driver sees me doing so and go straight to my hotel or apartment to put my money and passport in the safe and secure my other things.

    Just one mongers opinion.
    I agree 100%
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply
  30. The_Tall_Man
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    Viagra available in MDE?

    Ahh, not that I need it, jejejejeje, but can you buy Viagra over the counter in Colombia? Speciffically in Medellin? Or is a prescription needed?

    Thanks, The Tall Man
    Posted 3 years ago | #Reply

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