Nonsense!! They love what they are doing and only 1 out of 5 guys pays them money.Originally Posted by Pg Zoomer
Great info Croc...I'm from India and most Asian's and Arabs are crazy about white skin and would happily pay a premium to fuck a blonde.....its just that they are rare here and we feel something different to have them..after a while though, we will also get bored and try something new as mongers are same everywhere ...i think we need to go easy on CIS Russian girls, at least they bring in variety to BKK scene, never mind the higher price tag.Originally Posted by Crocodilexp
I have read from lots of mongers in German fkk and other places in Europe that...many pay a premium to go with Thai and Chinese girls and if the prices are fixed..Asian girls are always busy in euro land.
also, we need to stop debating about if you like Russian's why don't you go to Russia debate...the point has been talked to death...first, BKK is a big cosmo city..why not have as many Russian, German, American, Brazilian or Spanish girls as possible in one place...its easy for us and it brings in variety to a place.
There are many reason one cannot go to Russia or Europe, for me personally, i tried twice for Schezen visa and was denied entry to Germany, they thought i would be an illegal immigrant , then i tried Sweden and Netherlands and was denied entry...i will try it again this December and if the quality is as good as in FKK as they describe i may well be an illegal immigrant . Regarding, Russian visa, forget it, it's almost impossible for Indian's to get a tourist visa as many have used the visa as a landing pad to go to Europe illegally..unless you are sponsored by corporate's it very difficult to go to Russia.
There may also be financial issues. If you happen to see someone eat Thai food in Los Angeles or London..would you go to him and throw his food away and say...why you eating Thai food in UK..why don't you go to Thailand instead.
I see lots of farangs eating fish and chips in pattaya..Do we go and stop them...agree, girls and food are not the same..but in the same yardstick..lets be fair to everything around us.
Believe me, for a regular working guy to go to Europe and fuck a blonde is a big deal..its not easy...its much easier if we find them in Thailand.
Thanks for the info again...the rant was not for you just a general post, as i feel, as in the past, if someone post anything about Russian girls...there comes a comment..if you like Russian girls why don't you go to russia
I was in Siam square so decided to go to CM2 again. It was bit early and surprisingly no one at the door and no entry fee. Staffs were dressed for Halloween. Later I was told that they were charging BHT 899 for Friday, Saturday and Sunday as they were celebrating Halloween. I was in the bar at 22:27. I thought they start charging after 22:30 or 23:00 but the very next day I was proved wrong as they charged me BHT 899 at 22:10.
At that time there were only a few wgs. CIS usually start arriving after 23:30. It was not full even on Friday night; however the ratio was better after mid night and some very cute locals. Anyway tried to chat up a few girls. I found most of them friendly and happy to chat. However, I met a few Indians who reported serious attitude problem. An Uzbek asked him BHT 20,000 for short time. It surprized me as he was young nice looking Indian. He also told me that Novotel charge BHT2000 joiner fee.
Asked a Russian. She started from BHT 8000 but dropped to BHT 6000 but no DFK so decided to move on. CIS generally ask for 5K to 6K and locals 4k to 5k.
At about 1 am I met a blond ethnic Russian from Kazakhstan. She was very friendly and chatty although her English was poor. I asked her three times how much she wants but she just ignored my question. Later, I learned that she didn’t understand the question. After more than an hour she communicated through her friend, another cutie from Caucuses and with much better English that what is my plan. At the same time she also conveyed that she would only go for short time. It was late so decided to take her at BHT6000 for two hours.
Very chatty, friendly and very aggressive and an excellent session followed.
Originally Posted by Crocodilexp
Thanks for great information. I am not really interested in white. My interest is tall and that is why I usually end up with whites or blacks. I have absolutely no problem going out with a tall Asian.
Personality is also very important for me. I know men talk is very different from women talk but still education helps (not always).
You should be discreet about taping. I think Daddy is a bit harsh. If the girl makes a fuss, 10k baht will usually do the trick. Don't lose face, smile and be calm. I've got it down to a fine art, just make sure it is carefully and casually arranged, black on black or seemingly buried under a pile of clothes. Never had a problem.
These girls have no blushes, after sucking cock and being drilled everywhich way 3-8 times a day they are quite compliant and are not embarrassed, and it is merely a cash problem. My girl quite liked a full on anal for breakfast, and was affectionate afterwards, and I'm on the large size, even for Western girls who complain. Eden girls are very willing, I've got then lezzing out with me into them up to the hilt, etc. Sucking a cock to them with some hairy balls slapping their chin is like eating noodles, no big deal, no shame at all, why should there be ? The Eden girls and SOL can take whole, deep throat, and swallow. A lot of girls even like to see themselves spread eagled and full of cock in the mirror. That's why I love this place. 3-4 earth shattering explosions daily inside some cute and smiling girl, often with a sweet tiny pussy in my face if they have a friend, and face down ass up, their mouth in friend's pussy.
Some users like Asian Rain have close up shots that are very graphic. It makes for a nice reminder back in sex prison (USA).
I'm new to this board, but active in the USASG forums under the same screen name. I know how annoying it is when noobs come in looking for info, so I purchased a subscription just to show support for this forum. I hope I can get some good advice!
I'm staying at the Aspen Suites and have a couple of questions:
1- how far away is this from soi cowboy and nana? Is it best to just take a cab there?
2- Are katoeys really *that* hard to spot?
3- I noticed some reports on underage girls and "cards". To AVOID possible legal problems, what is the protocol for ID, and is it normal to ask them to produce it?
4- For LT, is there something that needs to be worked out with the hotel desk?
Thanks for ANY help on this... I don't expect to get many replies, but any at all would be very helpful. I intend to report on anything that I find. Thanks a lot, guys.
1. I see Aspen Suites is on Soi 2 Sukhumvit. So it is very close to Nana (which is on Soi 4 - two blocks). Soi Cowboy is little further down. May be walkable if you are up for it during day time. Night time you can take BTS or motorcycle taxi. Traffic on Suk is bad all the time - regular taxi will take a long time.Originally Posted by Flmonger
2. Depends on how good your gaydar is!!
3. Rare to find underage girls in the usual pick up places. All Thai adults have an ID card. The trick is to figure out the Thai calendar.
4. Most hotels in the area are girl friendly (not sure about Aspen - never heard of it). The hotel desk with keep the girl's ID card until she leaves after she is done with you. Some hotels will call you and ask if it is OK to give the card back. Some don't bother. Nothing else to be arranged. If she does not have a card, they may not let her in.
Suk 2 to Suk 4 is one block really; given the odd/even setup.Originally Posted by Crypton
Agree with taking the BTS to Soi Cowboy if it is raining or hot, but it only operates until midnight; and after midnight the traffic situation is much better. But If I picked up a lady on Soi Cowboy and was taking her back to Soi 2 I would take a taxi anytime of the day. Otherwise it is a leisurely 20~ minute walk.
Pahllus: Do so many girls say no to pictures and video that it is worth using a hidden camera and the risk of possible jail time? This is an actual (as in not rhetorical) question.
Everyone: I had kind of assumed from reading posts that enough WLs said yes to video that anyone could get visual souvenirs by just continually asking if 'click-click is on the menu' - or maybe by having a tripod set up next to the bed, and discuss it when the lady is in your room.
Am I mistaken? Is it actually quite rare (or at least for those women you want to remember, and look at photos of later)?
Does offering an extra tip help convince many who are resistant at first (and how much)?
I don't think I morally agree with filming without consent, but had planned on coming back with some video for later perusal, and lots of pics for the forum, so morality may lose out in the end.
Unlike Dubai where most bars do not charge wgs and instead offer them a couple of free drinks, CM2 charge them the same amount as other guests. Usually BHT 650 and on Halloween nights BHT 899. This means that they have to spend 15% - 20% of their income in just entering the bar. Ratio in the bar is also not favourable for them.
This should have a few implications.
1 - Only stunners would attempt to come to the bar and even some of them have to go back empty handed.
2 - This should push the price up as they have to price in for unsuccessful attempts.
3 - They will be under pressure to get someone and cannot afford bad attitude.
However, in reality the quality was high but not that high and some of them have attitude problem. Also some A+ goes empty handed. According to the Russian they usually move to Spicy or Shock after 2am. However, she does not seem to worry too much about the high price in CM2.
I hope that some senior member may be able to shed some light on this issue.
Well said Star. You nailed it right on head.Originally Posted by Starchild2012
I'm going to LOS again in December and I'll be hunting for russians as my over night companions. And planning to visit soapies to taste Thai girls during day time.! Best of both the worlds!
I've stayed there, see answers inline, below.
Nana is a quick 10-min walk. It can seem longer if you are drunk, or doing a speak-no-English walk with your latest friend. It's about 2-300 meters to Annie's Soapy, turn right, and then 50-74 meters to Soi 4. They have a tuk-tuk service that will drop you off, but not bring you back. Tuk-tuks in front of Nana Entertainment Plaza can be had for 100 THB, some down to 40THB if you explain how short the trip is. (Just repeat Soi 2 a number of times.)Originally Posted by Flmonger
If you have to ask, then yes. Lots of hints on spotting them can found here and on other IBBs. Most you will spot right away, others will surprise you. If you are lucky the surprise will come before you get back to the Aspen. Here's a suggestion: nearly all women can bend their elbow beyond 180 degrees (ie, backwards) when extending their arm. Nearly all man can not. If you never go out with a "girl" who can't extend past 180 then you've decreased your risk considerably.Originally Posted by Flmonger
Yes, it is normal. Before you go with a girl ask two important ID related questions: 1) You have ID Card? 2) Okay you go Hotel?Originally Posted by Flmonger
If the girl pushes for a short-time room to the point of refusing your hotel, especially one so close, then you should be careful.
You can diminish the risk of legal trouble by allowing the hotel to check and hold the ID card. FWIW: somehow the Thai police always know when to knock down the door to catch the tourist literally with his pants down. Not all payoffs to the police come in the form of tea-money. Don't make yourself someone elses bribe. Lots of lovely ladies in their early twenties who have IDs and need them because they look so young. You'll not go wanting.
Remember this: 543. An easy sequence, no? Look at the ID, subtract 543 from the birth year and what's left is the Western birth year.
Not at the Aspen. Heck, on Tripadvisor some punter bragged about all the ladies he brought back with him to the Aspen, and the Management replied it was happy the guy and his friends felt welcome.Originally Posted by Flmonger
IIRC (one year ago) as you enter the hotel a guard will ask you for her ID. You can elect to waive him off, but you shouldn't. If the girl is in the game, the she knows the score and will not cry foul. You can also make a joke with the guard by asking "not ladyboy, yes? " ha-ha. Call it a last line of defense.
GL/HFOriginally Posted by Flmonger
Dude, them Uzbeks on Soi 4 are f-ing scary. They will cut a brother. They are some serious hard-core strange. I've seen them pick fights with falangs in the 7/11 across from the Rajah, seemingly "just because. " The check-out girls are always yelling at them about something or another. Run, run far.Originally Posted by Crocodilexp
You're probably not mistaken and can find willing WL models with a little effort. I've taken pictures on previous visits some of which can be found in the Photo Gallery and/or it's archives. Don't know the law in Thailand, but it may well be that nudity is illegal, as is prostitution. LE doesn't seem to actively pursue, but some discretion may be advisable.Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo
Being a tourist, I carry a camera with me at all times. If you're in Soi Cowboy as bars are opening at 4PM, you may find photo ops as I have. If the bar isn't crowded and you're the first customer, the girls may happily trade topless pics for the purchase of drinks. If you're the type of monger that gripes and groans at paying 1500 baht for ST, you'll probably choke and gag at the thought of paying for just pictures. The choice is yours, but I've found it to be good entertainment for the money.
You may also have likely success at Beergarden on Soi 7. Let the girl of choice know you're interested in ST AND pictures and she may not charge extra. From my experience no hidden cameras or deception is necessary. MPs tend to be more problematic, but not impossible with some discretion.
There's entirely too few honest and uncensored images of providers in the Thailand Photo Gallery. I'm hoping you'll share some of yours when you get the chance.
for me CM2 is "Da Place".Originally Posted by Global Surfer
1. it gets crowded earlier (11.30PM)than many clubs - so u can pick up girls still fresh and have more fun time with them.
2. Good Music (do we really care about it when we are hunting..?
3. better quality gilrs than many clubs as well Grace junction
So c u at CM2 on 26/12.
There are some important aspects of taking and posting pictures in this forum. Most girls will agree for clothed pics and action pics that do not show their face. If you put clothed pic and action pic you can imagine the total pic.Originally Posted by Cyberspace
I do not believe working girl pics need to be photoshopped to mask her identity. You are not posting it in facebook or any other easily accessible website.
On the other hand pics of normal girls can be posted here but hide the identity.
Franco, I don't know you but I'm guessing you are or will be becoming an occasional visitor to Thailand and will be expending much time and finance in doing so. I would think it'd be a shame if you were buffaloed into taking less interesting "visual souvenirs" as a result of bad advice from this board. I may get some flack for saying this there does seem to be a local old hand cohort here that does whatever they can to discourage the taking and display of honest and uncensored provider images. One such old hand (probably NOT the one quoted above), had indicated that he lives and works in Thailand teaching students of which some were progeny of Thailand's elite. As you might imagine his pictures were heavily censored, and given his position I can respect this. But as a tourist this a bad attitude you need not adopt.Originally Posted by Sammon
As far as posting here goes: THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HIDE IDENTITY, AND THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO AVOID NUDITY. This is cityxguide.com and mongers as you and I will come here to get an honest view of what providers may be available. Kaintuck's images and mine should be examples of this already posted here. I'm hoping you'll help us out and post even better images when you come.
You guys were a great help. I leave soon, and will keep in mind all that you have told me. Glad to hear that nana is so close!
One last question. If I take a tuk tuk or taxi to soi cowboy, do I just say "soi cowboy"?
Nope, not on this board there isn't.Originally Posted by Cyberspace
At the risk of getting seriously jumped on here, and at the risk of Hunter giving me the boot:
If the girl does not expressly indicate that it is OK to take her picture, there is a very distinct moral (read: legal) code that says that pictures taken secretly should not be shared with anyone IN PUBLIC. What you do in private is your own business, but this is the Internet, and this is cityxguide.com just because it is a sex related board does NOT mean that it is a private vehicle to post surreptitiously obtained graphics and photography that might actually hurt someone. In most cases, it's better to err on the side of being more careful, yes?
Well OK: If you don't want to adhere to this idea, then I say you are nothing but a fucking girl on the rag, making excuses that everything is OK "because I want it that way". Real men don't do that shit. Period! (sic)
WTF: I have lots of hours of vids taken from a hidden HD video camera in my condo & hotel rooms. Do I tell the chicks that I have taken their pics? Fuck no. BUT: Do I post their faces here? Fuck no. Do I list their names here? Fuck no. Do I consider people that can't control themselves, that have to brag out their hidden shit on the open Internet, to be pimply faced smarmy trashed-out bum-fuck low-lifes. Fuck yes.
Dude: Get your own freakin' website, password protect it, encrypt the docs, and do that shit on your own. Seriously, it's really easy shit. Get real, and just do it. Hell, you could even just use something as lame as the 'usenet', that's even easier. Heh.
Word: I am not pontificating some moral doctrine here from on high, not hardly, I would be a total hypocrite if I were. But, to get some sort of snorty snickery razzberry chortle here on cityxguide.com at other people's expense, is basically childish and retarded. You don't know who's life you may be destroying, now do you? Obviously, you really don't care about who it might be either, now do you? Therefore, you don't actually LIVE here, now do you?
Man up: Have fun, but don't fuck up other people's lives. Even if you ARE nothing but a dumbass tourist, and even if they ARE (to you) nothing but dumbass Thai.
Fuck it: I'm off to the beach, it's an insanely beautiful sunny day here in Phuket and I have to catch a plane to China tonight. C'ya.
I had honestly hoped this wouldn't devolve into a pointless flame war, but there are some important points that should be recognized in this discussion. For those that are open to reason I'd like to present them.Originally Posted by Tiger 888
First, I can't see that taking pictures (even nude pictures) necessarily shows a disrespect for Thai women. It's certainly no more disrespectful than to barfine a woman for ST, LT, BBBJ, DFK or whatever, and I don't say this facetiously. WGs are engaged knowingly and willingly in a business usually to support their families. We the members of the cityxguide.com tend to unashamedly be the patrons their business. As I see it respect in a business transaction is shown by each side coming to an agreement and honestly following through on each's part of the bargain. Anyone that's followed this discussion will recognize that I don't advocate "hidden cameras" or "secret surveillance." If you've come to a mutual agreement with your model, THERE IS NO DISRESPECT INVOLVED.
Second, I can't know all the motivations involved in various cityxguide.com members trying to discourage the taking and display of uncensored and identifiable pictures of providers, though I have mentioned at least one in my previous posting in Bangkok Reports. But if you really consider my first point above, then you can be reasonably certain that RESPECT FOR THAI WOMEN IS NOT THEIR HONEST MOTIVATION.
Agree with barko,
Taking pictures is one thing.
Putting it on the internet without the girl knowing it (or knowing precisely the implications) is a completly different thing.
A girl should have a chance to start a new life if she wants without pictures of her staying for years in the internet in a monger's report.
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